the problems that for deuproduc newtown mas ker. you find my column on cnn.com/fareed. let's get started. >>> so, let's get right to it. a conversation about the real economic problems this country faces on my right and on their right glen hubbard the former chief economic adviser of cheney campaign. on my left, peter orzack, obama former budget director and sort of in the middle, the economist, economics editor and kristen editor of reuters digital. i promised we were going to get past the cliff. but i have to ask a few questions about it. you don't think it's that big of a deal if we go over the cliff. >> i don't think it's that big of a deal if we get to january 3rd or january 4th and we don't have an agreement because we'll have one very soon after. if we did nothing for months, it would be disastrous. not only the combination of tax increases and spending cuts push the economy into a recession, the debt ceiling would be reached and at some point the u.s. would be unable to pay its bond holders. that would be a catastrophe. because it would be such a catastrophe, i